Talk:Porco Rosso

Credits (Japanese or American)

I changed the credits from American names to the original Japanese names. All Miyazaki movies in Wikipedia have Miyazaki original team in the credits. I suppose that the American names were the persons in charge of adapted versions (Disney?). Obviously these persons could/should appear in one way or another but let it make it consistent across all Miyazaki movies.

I noticed something strange in the Disney release of Porco Rosso

When Marco get to Milano we can see a lot of purple and green flags and armbands. I don't remember this flag as 'real' and the color are very vivid, like if they had benn 'painted over' a real flag.

Altough I lost it, I had a imported version from Porco Rosso and I think I remember that the flags in these scenes where actually the royal flag of Italy (same as the current one but with the royal arms on it). Anyone can confirm or deny this ? If so it would seems a rather strange censorship from DIsney considering that the same flag is still visible during the entire movie on Porco's plane.

edit - I confirm this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.51.221.25 (talk) 15:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Trivia section

Trivia sections on Wikipedia are considered very bad form. All imformation within this section should be dispersed to apropriate places within the article.--The_stuart 18:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• A pack of Gitanes cigarettes can be clearly seen on the table during the scene where Porco Rosso checks his ammunition for the fight against Curtis. This is a rare example of an existing brand name being shown in a Miyazaki movie. (There is also a Coca-Cola can in Miyazaki's On Your Mark).

• Director Miyazaki's choice for Porco Rosso's voice comes from the fact that Hayao envisioned Porco to be modeled after Kojak. Hence the man who supplied the Japanese version of Telly Savalas's detective got the role.

• One of the major sponsors of the film was Japan Airlines, which got the rights to show the film in-flight on some of its domestic routes. One condition Japan Airlines put on the film was that it contain no crash scenes. Despite all the aerial combat, and shooting you do not see a single aircraft actually going down.

• Although Gina is Italian, the only song we hear her sing during the movie is Le temps des cerises (The Cherries' Season), a song from the 1860s, which she performs in rather broken French. This song was quite popular in the 1920s.

• Ghibli, the name of the film's production studio, is embossed on the engine Piccolo installs in Porco's new plane.

• When the film was released in France in 1995, Porco Rosso's voice was performed by Jean Reno. Miyazaki praised Reno's performance; in fact, it is said that he prefers the French cast to the original Japanese.

• An English version was previously released by Carl Macek's Streamline Pictures for screening on Japan Airlines domestic flights shortly after the film was released. However, it was scarcely seen and attracted limited audiences. In 2003, a new English dub was created by Disney, with Michael Keaton as the voice of Porco Rosso. First screened at the Austin Film Festival in late 2003, this version was released on DVD on February 22, 2005, alongside Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind and The Cat Returns.

I removed the following text from the introduction: Japan Airline was a major sponsor of the film, and showed it as an in-flight movie before its theatrical release. One restriction the airline imposed on Miyazaki was "no crash scene please."

I couldn't find a source for this claim, and this page contradicts it. (Also, the removed text was redundant with information later in the article.)

--Matt Brubeck 01:18, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

It is well known that Japan airlines was an investor in the film, and screened it on their flights before the theatrical release - and the link you provided does not contradict this - it supports it. I am therefore reverting the change minus the "no crash scene" bit. --Centauri 05:44, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I've split what is left of the trivia section into two sections: one on the film's homage to early Italian aviation and one on the film's production. In the process of doing so, I dropped two tidbits of trivia: one on the resemblance of Gina's island hotel to a painting and one on a resemblance of Porco's human form to a figure seen briefly in another film. These just can't be made to fit elsewhere and don't stand on their own. The rest of the material can now (I think) escape the charge of being a trivia section. Ross Fraser (talk) 06:37, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

There are further elements of trivia that hint at what may follow the main story. At the end, the viewer is left guessing as to whether Porco and Gina do eventually have a relationship. Some elements of the film are taken by fans as clues to the answer:

• Gina reveals that over time she has married (and lost) three seaplane pilots. The first of these was Marco's friend, Bellini. When we see them flying together, Bellini's aircraft has a number '1' on the tail. Porco has a number '4'. This may be interpreted as a hint that Porco will be Gina's fourth husband.

• Throughout the film Porco is unaware of Gina's true feelings for him, until Curtis tells him during the fight. At the end of the fight, Porco is called up from the water and the first thing he sees is Gina. It has been noted at this point that one of the lenses of his glasses has been knocked out, and the circular frame now forms a heart shape. This can be interpreted as indicating that he now looks on Gina differently, with some affection.

• Gina tells Curtis that she waits for Marco every day in her garden. At the end of the film, the garden is clearly visible and Gina is not there. This may be interpreted as indicating that she is no longer waiting.

Joefishuk (talk) 15:23, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Additional information on Donald Curtiss and the possibility of where the inspiration for the character’s name came from: • The actual event of the Schneider Cup in 1925 was won by the American seaplane, Curtiss-R3C-2. Its pilot Jimmy Doolittle, set a new record when he won the race. Sugarhearts (talk) 16:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

something about Rijeka

Remember that "Istria" and "Dalmazia" where ITALIAN before the II (SECOND!) World War. Rijeka is the actual Croatian name, but before it was "FIUME" (http://www.croaziainfo.it/Fiume.html ) Porco Rosso is in 1st World War, so Rijeca is "fiume" and is absolutely italian, not croatian :) If someone want to correct this, i think is good. Do you?

Well, according to the Treaty of Rapallo, 1920, the city of Rijeka/Fiume was granted the status of Free State and was known with both names (Croatian: Slobodna Država Rijeka, Italian: Stato libero di Fiume). After the Treaty of Rome, 1924, Fiume was officially assinged to Italy as a province with formal anexation in March, the same year (with massive italianization of the population, according to the Fascism regulations), so if the 1929 is the actual time the movie is meant to be located, probably "Fiume" could be a better choice, yet if it is located in a popular environ (pleeeeease, don't shoot me, I haven't seen the film yet, I'm only arguing on a theorethical basis) I expect that the most common name found is ok, whichever it is (nevertheless, Italian was the numerically dominant ethnic group). Regards! Botty--129.192.97.6 09:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Istria and Dalmazia were occupied by Italy before the second world war. It does not mean they were Italian. Majority of the population was always Slavic, Croatian and the lands were part of the Croatian kingdom and then Austro-Hungarian empire, and even under Venice for a while, and Napoleon and so on and so on. Totally irrelevant and not sure why this belongs here.

The more interesting topic is that according to the map shown in 4:32 minutes of the film, the coastline is fictional and combination of islands and towns in Kvarner and Dalmatia region. It is a bit of a mish-mash, as it puts together Peljesac Channel, Mali Losinj, Skradin, Ugljan, Krka channel and so on. It puts Biograd on "Kornat" island. For someone who was sailing a lot between these islands, its kinnda funny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Potjernik (talk • contribs) 16:22, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

In the Hungarian Kingdom census of 1910, about 25,000 inhabitants were of romance languages and culture (62% of the population), 6,000 inh.,( 26% ) were Slavs and the rest were Hungarians, Germans and other groups. The population in the oriental side of Adriatic sea was often divided into urban-coastal communities (mainly Romance speakers) and rural communities (mainly Slavic speakers). The romance component disappear with Ethnic cleansing and foibe killings following the Italian defeat in 2 World War.

Perhaps some historical reference in the movie could be made to the free republic (better anarchist republic) of Fiume (1918-1924) that often lived with piracy and smuggling. The city was at time the cosmopolitan home of poets, feminists, adventurers and prostitutes in particular from 1919 to 1920 (Regency of Quarnaro) led by eccentric poets with a constitutional chart based on music and aesthetic and absolute individual freedom, the divorce was free. The eccentric Regency was allied with the Russian Leninists declared war on Italy in 1920. The guns of Andrea Doria battleship ended the piracy experience. Finally in 1924 with fascist pressure on the international community the particular experience of this cosmopolitan Republic ended .

However the locations of the movie are fictional, I don’t see any reference to a particular city but only a general reference to Dalmatian maybe Quarnaro (Kvarner) coastline. I would delete the reference on Rijeka(Fiume) because without evidence and reference.--84.222.72.25 (talk) 22:52, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, if there is general reverence to Dalmatian and Kvarner coastline, why not to recognize that? If you really have a problem calling it "Croatia", you can call it "East Adriatic coastline in today's Croatia" but the reference to the islands of Kvarner and Dalmatia is pretty clear (in the map in the film) and I am not sure what would be the dispute? ALL the names of the islands, towns and bays in that map are from Kvarner and Dalmatia. Potjernik (talk) 06:10, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

On the subject of real places, I added a note that the hidden beach hideout has a clear resemblance to Stiniva on the southern coast of Vis island. Panoramic images of the beach can be found on Google Maps to verify this. Can anyone supply a legitimate photograph of the location? It's in the right area for the film, though isn't specifically located there in the story. Joefishuk (talk) 14:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

English

Whoever did most of the work on the page was clearly either a poor student in his english class or learned it as a second language and never picked it up fully. I cleaned it up a little bit, but I don't have the time right now for anything more extensive. 68.225.240.87 12:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Crimson

Ok, in English is called "Crimson Pig.", sorry, but i believe: "he is now known to the world as "Porco Rosso", Italian for "Crimson Pig."" is not true.

Well, Crimson and Red are synonyms, so I think its splitting hairs a bit. Anyone else have an opinion on this? Finite 20:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

IMHO, calling the Pig "Red" is wrong - it might mean 'Communist Pig', which is not the case. "In Soviet Russia", it is called "Алый Свин" (calling him 'Scarlet Pig' seems not good either. :-) ) (see http://lleo.aha.ru/dnevnik/2006/12/14.html for the image of 'Red pig')

A Pig that is not red is only a Pig, he he; Red might mean Communist, but Crimson is not the same color. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.184.124.177 (talk) 20:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Why wouldn't it be possible to conceive Red as Communist? As Porco is so clearly antifascist and his metamorphosis appears to originate from his turning his back onto Italy/Fascism... More, if I'm not wrong, "Porci Comunisti" was quite a common epithet for the Commies, expecially at that time... (in alternative it may be an assonance with Barone Rosso - Red Baron?) Regards! Botty --129.192.97.6 08:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually the Japanese kanji "kurenai" that's used in the main article is the often indisputable translation to "crimson". Red in Japanese looks more like this: akai (赤, akai); this is the version more disputed as to whether it means red or other versions of the color. I think the creators wanted to stick with "Crimson Pig". Sake neko (talk) 05:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Imperial Austro-Hungarian, not Imperial German

If one notes closely during the flashback scene where Marco and the rest of his Italian Squadron fights the enemy, it is clear that they were fighting Imperial Austro-Hungarian fighters, NOT Imperial German fighters. This is noticable in several things; the red and white wing and tail markings which is the traditional Austrian markings, the plane that they flew were of Austrian design (to be precise - Austrian Hansen Brandenbourg CC), and the patrol was going through Istria which were under Austro-Hungarian occupation during the World War I.

Closer picture can be found here; http://www.wingsee.com/ghibli/porcorosso/planes/austria_hansenbrandenbourgCC.jpg

Extra Space At The Bottom

There`s extra space at the bottom; please fix it, thanks; I don`t know how. Thanks.68.148.164.166 (talk) 16:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Length of Article

I've shortened the article by perhaps 20% by rewriting in a more terse style. I've therefore also removed the "too long" icon placed at the top of the article on Sept, 2007, pending a future review by an editor of the revised article. Ross Fraser (talk) 06:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Red plane at Gina's island?

This is at the end of the synopsis: "However, a red plane can be seen at the other end of Gina's island."

I saw the last scene over and over and I just can't this. Are you sure it happened or should we delete this part of the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.13.247.113 (talk) 21:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

It's not in the final shot. It's a couple of shots earlier, when there's a plane flying over Gina's island. It's there. Henrymrx (talk) 03:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Porco's skills

• What other skills does Porco possess other than being a good pilot. Can he use any weapons for anything like that? --Kid Sonic (talk) 17:33, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Porco's plane

It's very similar to a Macchi M33. It's nothing like a Supermarine S4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.191.126 (talk) 19:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Well first of all, which plane are you talking about? It changes dramatically during the film. Secondly, do you have a source? Henrymrx (talk) 20:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm talking about Porco's plane, of course. I put it in the title. You think it changes dramatically? Which film were you watching? It gets beat up, but rebuilt it's almost identical to when it started (Fio says she's going to change the angle of the wings half a degree). Porco's plane is the same plane throughout the film. Look, if you don't believe me just look up Macchi M33 and take a look. And the Supermarine S4. It'll take you thirty seconds. And then you can put the edit in yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.241.232 (talk) 11:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

That's a nice idea, but I'm not going to do that. It would be original research. You still need a reliable source. Here [1] is a source that disagrees with you. It's a forum, so it isn't considered reliable.

I'll go ahead and delete the sentence. It is un-sourced and it really seems doubtful now, but there isn't enough evidence to change it to what you want. Henrymrx (talk) 12:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Try here : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porco_Rosso and http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macchi_M.33 and http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/porco/faq.html#savoia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.241.232 (talk) 13:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

You say 'here is a source the disagrees with you' and point to a source that says "Porco's S.21 looks somewhat like the Macchi M.33." THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING TOO. But you should also go and remove the Porco's Plane = Macchi M33 from the French and Italian wikipedia sites , because they're unsourced. In fact the entire article is unsourced, just delete it all. I was trying to change something that was obviously wrong but now just don't care. IMO a correction to an unsourced statement, easily verifiable, is useful, but whatever, just keep chopping away and telling yourself that you're being helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.191.126 (talk) 19:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I have found a link to a published source that points to the Porco Rosso aircraft being called the Savoia S.21, but actually being based upon the Macchi M33, with some significant differences between the Macchi and Miyazaki's design (specifically the wing attachement is very different). In the light of this published source I would like to edit this part of the entry to correct the current un referenced and misleading element. Meeware (talk) 15:22, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

References

Porco's Transformation

The article says, Although his transformation into a pig is never fully explained, it is hinted that it is due to him leaving his country's air force (thus turning his back on his country) because of Italy turning toward fascism. At one point he says, "I'd much rather be a pig than a fascist". However the story about the dog-fight where his friends died, and he feels he left, thinking only of himself, is also hinted as being a reason for his transformation, as he felt he had acted like a pig by deserting them. Indeed, his retransformations happen when he is not thinking of himself.(88.96.98.17 (talk) 14:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC))

The article says, When Curtis sees Porco's face, he reacts with surprise (implying that the pig curse has been lifted). This is speculation and too simplistic. Earlier in the film, Fio catches a brief glimpse of Porco/Marco's real face, and this moment of surprise from Curtis implies no more or less than this. It simply shows that people briefly see his human face whenever he acts unselfishly; in this case, offering to partner with his rival and lead the Italian Air Force away from the spectator's flotilla. Joefishuk (talk) 15:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

The top reference has now been removed entirely. There is some speculation and analysis of Marco/Porco's behaviour and how it ties in with his transformation that possibly warrants a section of its own, on the psychology of the character. He exibits clear signs of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). One aspect of this is the 'Survivor's Guilt' complex referred to above, and the fantasy he has built around the causal event. Another is how he openly and willingly maintains the 'selfish pig' persona both as a self-imposed penance and (subconciously) as a means of distancing himself from others - particularly the affections of Gina. Miyazaki alludes to a similar understanding of transformations in Spirited Away, when Zeniba reveals that her transformation spell that turned Boh and Yu-Bird into a Mouse and a Fly wore off long ago, but they chose to stay in their new forms. When this is revealed, they guiltily revert to their original forms. In this case, Fio's attempts to break Marco's 'curse' with a kiss fail because the cause is a deep-seated trauma which is not so easily resolved. Joefishuk (talk) 15:10, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Marco Pagot vs. Marco Rossolini

In the introduction of the article, Porco's real name is said to be Marco Pagot, but later in the article, in the 1st line of the 5th paragraph of the Synopsis (under the Plot section), he is mentioned as Marco Rossolini. Which is which, which is right and where did the other one come from etc.? 93.166.114.170 (talk) 13:18, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I read somewhere that Miyazaki's original idea was to call him Marco Pagot, but Marco Pagot (the italian animator, not Porco) tried to dissuade Miyazaki, because his surname is quite rare in Italy and it would be a too obvious reference. 84.222.239.80 (talk) 12:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi.

I also spotted "Marco Rosselini" in the film at 1:05:56. I am going to add it to the article.

Codename Lisa (talk) 10:47, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, to confirm from the viewers point of view. The Disney’s English version is dubbed as Rosselini while in other version for example Thai and Japanese are dubbed as Paggot. Sugarhearts (talk) 16:03, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

This is set in 1929

If you look closely at the bottom of the front cover of the magazine on top of Porco's head shown at the very beginning, it says 1929. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_di621Kpm2A4/S6mLlemXREI/AAAAAAAADag/0fntOTY0c9M/s1600-h/cinema29.jpg 207.255.134.92 (talk) 00:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

two english versions

i would love to see an expansion of the American versions. i would like to see a full cast for the second English version. the voice and words are quite different. Overseer19XX (talk) 23:35, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Manga Impact

Manga Impact: The World of Japanese Animation, 6 December 2010, ISBN 978-0714857411; pg 197;

Miyazaki Hayao's sixth film, Porco Rosso, is very different to the great epics Nausicaä of the Valley of Wind (1984) and Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea (2008), This comedy found success with an often clownish humour about a truculent protagonist sporting a pig's head.
Marco is a former flying ace from World War I who has turned his hand to hunting pirates in the Adriatic. A curse left him with a pig's head and amid perfectly human humans but nobody seems to care, and the only thing about him that attracts remark is his skill as a pilot. He teams up with Fio, an expert female mechanic, and competes against his rival Curtis, whom he finally beats at the end of a long battle that begins in the key and ends up - hand to hand - in the sea.
A very simple screenplay gives pride of place to comical situations such as the pilot's first appearance, sleeping in the afternoon sun to the sound of the French revolutionary song 'Le temps de cerises', or the final epic fight that leaves both combatants covered in bruises. The meditative, gliding flights of Nausicaä give way to the energy of the war film, and blue gives way to red as the predominant colour.
This film is the only instance of Miyazaki depicting a specific historical and geographical location - the Mediterranean in the inter-war years - and certain details (particularly with regard to aviation) are unexpectedly realistic.
The eponymous protagonist, comically named 'Red Pig' in Italian, is overwhelming in his presence. He sports a snout and big, floppy ears, but at the same time, a mustache, tie, and sunglasses. A stylist pig, a dandy and a formidable fighter, Porco Rosso remains one of Miyazaki's most popular characters.

--Gwern (contribs) 19:49 23 December 2011 (GMT)

They could have got the right sea...

Andy Dingley (talk) 19:51, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

i think this reference can be added

The links i have given were from a site that was one of the very important site related to the topic. In that case it was about studio ghibli. Now the link i have given was from onlineghibli.com which is no less popular than nausicaa.net if not more. And there is no need to promote the site as it is even more popular than the nausicaa.net and it is the first result in the search engine.And i absolutely know about the no-follow system or rule of wikipedia.And that site actually verifies the character list as it actually gives pictures of the artists and it has many other infos like music pieces etc.And this site also has been there for 10 years so it is one of the most important reference site to the topic. The problem is i do not know how to use the reference template[and also do not have access to] that is why i needed to give the external link. We all need to improve wikipedia so review my suggestion.Nibir2011 (talk) 16:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Plot Summary Omissions

I think the plot summary misses some major character development. Gina is simply referred to as a 'friend' of Porco/Marco, which understates a huge part of the emotional impact of the story. Berlini and Marco fought for the love of Gina, and she eventually married Berlini, with Marco acting as his best man at the wedding. Two days later they were called up and Berlini was killed, in the story Porco/Marco recounts to Fio of the deceased pilots joining the ribbon in the sky. Years later Porco/Marco feels bound by honour to his friend not to have a relationship with Gina, but she has overcome her loss (indeed, it is revealed she has married, and lost, three seaplane pilots) and is waiting for Porco/Marco to come to her.

Then, during the fist-fight, Curtis tells Porco/Marco that Gina shuns other men's advances and waits just for him in her hotel's private garden. This comes as such a surprise to Porco/Marco that it grants Curtis a brief advantage in the fight.

These details are important in that they add to the case that Porco/Marco's curse is self-imposed, and that he does eventually change his outlook and end up with Gina. But obviously that is left to the viewer to speculate. Joefishuk (talk) 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

When Gina kissed Porco in lips in the end did Porco became human ? Did she really fell in love with him ( People always speculated that part). I always though Gina loved Porco in a friendly way wanted to help him become human again. Vamlos (talk) 11:19, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Gina didn't kiss Porco at the end. Fio kissed him as the plane she was in (Gina's) pulled away. After that, we don't see his face again. Curtis acts as though he caught a glimpse of Marco's real face, though only after Porco invites him to help lead the Italian Air Force away. Gina told Curtis she shuns every man's advances and waits only for Marco in her garden. That sounds much more than simple friendly intentions.Joefishuk (talk) 19:56, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely ridiculous

"Porco Rosso is one of the few films directed by Hayao Miyazaki in which the historical and geographical settings are clearly defined and where most of the story could have happened in the real world.[citation needed] "

Whoever added the [citation needed] tag is clearly trolling. This is the kind of thing that really makes "community curated" look bad. Nobody is going to cite each of the events of the inter-war years in their entirety to you. It even gives the "most of" tag as to say "its not set to be one-for-one to reality(what with the talking pig-man ace pilot and all) but a clearly defined time and place does exist."

When: Very likely 1921-1927. We can come to this conclusion as the sons left due to lack of work, this period was during Italian economic stagnation post WWI, though not the great depression. Technology is also a hint with what the various pilots used. Prior to metal skinned planes being used, which would have been attainable by rich independent pilots like Curtis starting around 1930. If for some reason it was a group of pilots who didn't get new planes for various reasons, then just move the dates from 1921-27 to 30-35, where all the details can still fit easily. Almost certainly before the invasion of Abyssinia as the embargoes and war almost certainly would have been hot topics for seaplane pilots. Without any question however it took place between the end of WWI and the start of WWII a defined band of 20 years, for Italy it could be considered as low as 17 (1918-1935.) Where: Italy, Milan, Adriatic Sea Events surrounding are described liberally throughout the film. Ba18070 (talk) 01:25, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ba18070: Don't take the inline tags too seriously, and I don't believe it was a troll who did that, as the paragraph in question is entirely unsourced. While I do somewhat agree with your explanation here, we would need sources to back this up if the statement is to remain in the article. Editors can't simply come to these conclusions themselves, as that is original research. I've gone ahead and put the tags back in, and I'll see if I can find a source for this somewhere. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 14:37, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Plot summary

On 7 October 2023, user Redecommon removed the below paragraph from the 'Plot' section with the comment "Excessive detail removed from plot."

That night, while Porco is preparing shells for the dogfight, Fio briefly sees his true face instead of the pig. Porco tells Fio a story from World War I. Two days after Gina's first wedding to his friend Bellini, his squadron was attacked by Austro-Hungarian aircraft. Overwhelmed and unable to save his fellow pilots, he entered a cloud to evade his pursuers. He recalls blacking out and awakening to find himself in complete stillness above the clouds, with a silver band shimmering high in the distant sky. Allied and enemy aircraft, flown by the airmen who died in the dogfight—Bellini included—rise out of the cloud and fly upward towards the band, ignoring him. Porco soon sees that the band is in fact thousands of planes flying together. After offering in vain to die in Bellini's place for Gina's sake, he blacks out again and awakens flying low over the sea, alone. He concludes that, as a pilot whose life is always in jeopardy, he is meant to "fly solo". Fio rebukes him and kisses him on the cheek.

The removal of this paragraph created inconsistencies with the rest of the plot description - for example, there is no longer any mention of Fio seeing Porco's true face to give context to the mention of Curtis seeing Porco's face again later in the plot description. I reverted the removal, but it was removed again by Sphilbrick with a different explanation of "Copyright issue re https://everything.explained.today/Porco_Rosso/". However, this domain is a known Wikipedia mirror that simply mirrored the earlier version of the plot section in this article, and re-introducing the paragraph should therefore not be a copyright violation, correct? Just wanted some clarity on this point.

11achitturi (talk)

If that did come from mirror, then of course it's fine, but that should be explained in the edit summary so it doesn't get removed as a false positive copyright violation.--S Philbrick(Talk) 00:49, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

If one has to rule out every time Wikipedia content has been skimmed and cloned on other sites the citation list would be longer than Wikipedia itself! The edit history clearly demonstrates that this plot summary is the result of multiple independent edits and not taken in whole from another source. It should never have been removed without properly authenticating the assertion of other copyright. Someone please restore the paragraph. 185.201.0.197 (talk) 16:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

I have edited the plot section to include the details from the erroneously removed paragraph, and copy edited the whole section to cut excessive detail down to within the guideline word limit. Cheers! Captainllama (talk) 17:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)